tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8212356.post113381864514511084..comments2023-11-19T00:42:48.156-08:00Comments on balancing life: Getting to the topSunilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07776658071546232685noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8212356.post-1134024721018898252005-12-07T22:52:00.000-08:002005-12-07T22:52:00.000-08:00PK......valid points....but a start has to be made...PK......valid points....but a start has to be made some where. And dalits continue to take shit. Some one has to pay a price to fix things. But i don't know where it'll all go........and every one's ideas and every one needs to believe that races or groups are not inherently superior. That's going to take time.<BR/><BR/>Nandakumar....you're welcome. It's food for thought...a lot of what he says.Sunilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07776658071546232685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8212356.post-1134021874693004962005-12-07T22:04:00.000-08:002005-12-07T22:04:00.000-08:00thanks sunil, for that (as usual) heartfelt post a...thanks sunil, for that (as usual) heartfelt post and that link.R.Nandakumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06879162776342731034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8212356.post-1134020500610123082005-12-07T21:41:00.000-08:002005-12-07T21:41:00.000-08:00Sunil, Mr.Jadhav talks about reservation in Pvt. s...Sunil,<BR/> Mr.Jadhav talks about reservation in Pvt. sector and wants efficient implementation of reservation in Public sector.I have two points of difference with his arguments.<BR/> He talks about prejudice agaist Dalits during selection being reason for denying him the job.Well now it cuts both ways. Today deserving High caste candidates are denied job by dalits who are occupying high posts in Govt.(they have reached these posts on fast track reservation system). And i would like to point out that like examples given by Mr.Jadhav in his interview, reservation has side effect as well.There are instances when Dalit's inefficiency cannot be even pointed out because he is Dalit. For reserved catagory posts, candidates have remained absent for P.S.C.interviews without informing.<BR/> Mr. jadhav talks about prejudice aginst dalits in jobs.But this is not the factor when it comes to admission in Colleges and Professional courses.You have reservation there which is not fully justified. Mr. Jadhav's child will get admission ahead of son of poor high caste person with more marks.Today what options students in open category have? They pay high fee to get dubious degrees or go abroad.Just look at the list of countries students go for Medical edu.<BR/> Never forget that Road to hell is paved with good intentions.--PKPKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288316071377288075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8212356.post-1133930108212222782005-12-06T20:35:00.000-08:002005-12-06T20:35:00.000-08:00Actually Sunil, I don't find anything inspiring or...Actually Sunil, I don't find anything inspiring or outstanding in Mayawati. To me, she's another politician, that's all, no better or worse than Advani or Vajpayee or Narasimha Rao. But it's one more of those things I have to come to terms with -- others don't see things the same way. If I think Mayawati and Thackeray are mediocrities (putting it kindly), plenty of others see them as great heroes. That's been a hard lesson for me, and I'm still learning it.<BR/><BR/>Of course Jadhav is an outstanding role model; so, in my opinion, is KRN. But note how even in this discussion, someone else doesn't agree about KRN.<BR/><BR/>I don't want to beat this into the ground, but I only reacted to your last line, which said Jadhav and KRN, but not Mayawati, are the "role models dalit society needs". In my experience, that's just the kind of statement and sentiment that gets Dalit hackles up.<BR/><BR/>Mike, the fundamental reality of India, far more than language and religion, is caste. I don't see this changing anytime soon. I would like such people as Manmohan, Jadhav, Amartya Sen, to be seen as Indian role models above all because they are simply examples of excellence. (For that matter, Larry Bird, Nelson Mandela, Stephen Hawking ... and I'm not being facetious). But that reality of India trumps such things.Dilip D'Souzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221707482541503243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8212356.post-1133912863819796962005-12-06T15:47:00.000-08:002005-12-06T15:47:00.000-08:00Michael......i think your comment answered your ow...Michael......i think your comment answered your own query. India has indeed made very little progress in the area of caste, at least I think so. <BR/><BR/>I asked the same questions you asked here when K. R. Narayan died.....why shouldn't he be remembered (IMO) as a fine president?<BR/><BR/>And that is what the problem is.......and it's universal, as you point out the US experience. It's going to take a very long time for us to view all people as just people, because it's been drilled in to us for centuries otherwise. Which is why i pointed out that snippet of the comment Jadhav made. I'll paste it again....because it's a very good reflection of Indian society today.<BR/><BR/><I>"I have seen, if there is an inefficient person and if his same is Phadke or Apte, these are all names of the high born, they will be looked upon as inefficient individuals. But if there is a Kamble who is inefficient, you know what is the immediate reaction? It is to the blame the caste and then say "inko tho reservation miltha hai na."</I><BR/><BR/>I've seen many, many similar situations myself.....and so can only agree.Sunilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07776658071546232685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8212356.post-1133905030198940662005-12-06T13:37:00.000-08:002005-12-06T13:37:00.000-08:00Hi SunilI am sure that Dr. Jadhav is a fine econom...Hi Sunil<BR/>I am sure that Dr. Jadhav is a fine economist and human being. And I'm sure his story of overcoming poverty to achieve academic brilliance is inspiring. However, I have to say that it seems that India has made very little progress in the area of caste if the first thing anyone can say about this man by way of introduction is to mention his caste.<BR/><BR/>The US really isn't very different and I think it is a pity. If a black man achieves great things, the first line of his obit will be "he was a black man who overcame poverty and etc to achieve..." <BR/><BR/>The Dalit community does not need role models that are Dalits because they are the exceptions that prove the rule: that they are intrinsically different and therefore inferior than other Indians. Their role model should be Dr. Manmohan Singh, because they should realize that the only thing that matters is that he is Indian and they are Indian.Michael Higginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05034249281790021336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8212356.post-1133895700358902172005-12-06T11:01:00.000-08:002005-12-06T11:01:00.000-08:00Dilip....i know that. And I'm not telling them who...Dilip....i know that. And I'm not telling them whom to have for a role model. They can have whom ever they want (and have, as we well know). <BR/><BR/>But if i feel some one is an outstanding role model....i'll say he/she is. Simple as that. To me, these are really inspiring stories. Mayawati's is too, in a way. But the paths chosen are different, and i agree more with these paths. Thats all. As simple as that.Sunilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07776658071546232685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8212356.post-1133894336802128352005-12-06T10:38:00.000-08:002005-12-06T10:38:00.000-08:00The thing about Mayawati that all of us have got t...The thing about Mayawati that all of us have got to understand, Sunil, is how much of an icon she is to Dalits. It matters not in the slightest that you think she isn't a fit role model. A hell of a lot of them think so, and I've heard them offer reasoning something like this: "we're simply tired of being told who is and who isn't good for us. What is and what isn't good for us. Now we'll take power on our own terms, decide for ourselves. We know Mayawati is corrupt and scheming, but she stands for our aspirations and that's why we support her; we hope that leaders after her will not be as corrupt."<BR/><BR/>This explains the support for Lalu, for Phoolan Devi, besides Mayawati. Think about it.Dilip D'Souzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221707482541503243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8212356.post-1133884711994268612005-12-06T07:58:00.000-08:002005-12-06T07:58:00.000-08:00Actually, Karthik....you may not have agreed with ...Actually, Karthik....you may not have agreed with Narayanan's policy as vice president and later president of India, but he certainly is a great role model. He struggled to school, to finish finally with a state rank. Then he went to college on scholarship, and emerged as the university gold medalist. He cleared the civil services exam, and went on to an extremely distinguished career in the foreign service. And finally he became president of the country (which is different from being elected by rabble rousing). I think that's fantastic for a role model.<BR/><BR/>Vikram.....too bad you missed the talk. But then, i've never heard him either.......<BR/><BR/>some day.Sunilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07776658071546232685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8212356.post-1133849422163875982005-12-05T22:10:00.000-08:002005-12-05T22:10:00.000-08:00It is refreshing to see someone talk so lucidly ab...It is refreshing to see someone talk so lucidly about the economy - great interview and thanks for linking.<BR/><BR/>I have my own doubts about K.R. Narayan but Jadhav is certainly a role model.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com